Clarinda SH is not a Kirkbride

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I still need to get a floor plan of Clarinda but you can see how similar the buildings at Norristown and Clarinda look to be. It looks like they were both 2 stories of wards, a basement, and an attic.

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I haven't seen anything to really make me think that Clarinda isn't a Kirk, I think it meets the criteria that Dr. Kirkbride laid out. If there was enough doubt I'm sure Ethan would've made a mention of it on his site. Anyway here's the only floor plan I have been able to find of Clarinda. I don't have a Sanborn for it, I think that it wasn't mapped.
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If you look you will see the more subtle differences. You can see the Administration is asymmetrical, which is odd for a kirk, but more importantly it is very small where as kirkbride administration buildings aired towards the larger side.

If you look at the central two ward blocks they feature their own prominent entrances and an odder shape than the more hallway focused wards in a kirbride plan.If you compare their design to Norristowns ward buildings they are almost identical. The second and third most detached blocks clearly do not follow the block hallway ward of the kirkbride plan.

Also this places it beyond doubt.
http://books.google.com/books?id=bnraAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+instituti...

Loo on page 410, it says it was not built as a kirkbride, but on the "corridor connected pavilion" plan

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I read page 410 & I'm not sold after 1 quote. There are similarities with Norristown, but there are definite differences. I'd be more interested to see what the state annual reports said about the hospital and it's construction.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=hC8wAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_su...

Page 221, section 5.

It says they wanted a cottage plan, which jives with page 410 saying that the plan adopted was in "somewhat violation of the strict letter of the act creating the hospital".

It has more similarities with hospitals like Norristown and Bangor than kirkbrides aside from it being in a V shape.

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Uh oh. Look what I started. Might need to get out the dueling pistols.

One thing I find odd is that all Iowa state hospitals are/were kirkbrides. So why would they design this one different? As far as the book you pointed out Soldat. Those books are a very good reference, but they can't always be trusted on to be 100% accurate. In my years of research on Harrisburg and Danville I have found conflicts in reports and books. I have even found one book that had an image of Dixmont for Harrisburg. So while that book may or may not be accurate on this topic it would be more convincing if we could find another reference that said the same thing. Would be nice to find an early annual report from Clarinda, that would probably tell us more.

As far as the physical evidence... Lots of kirks had entrance doors on the wards. Danvers, Independence, Augusta, South Carolina. True, the ward entrances at Clarinda look more decorative. But who knows what states do and why. All it takes is one superintendent to not want patients using the admin entrance and boom, now you have main entrances on the wards, regardless of if the original plan was a kirk or not.

Wish that stupid Bing Maps would get it's act together and put up a birds eye of Clarinda. Can't seem to find any good aerial images.
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Try Google Earth

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Most buildings have doors that led to the wards but Clarinda has the entrances prominently at the ward center. I don't other Kirkbrides such as this, even Buffalo.

It is also odd that the subsequent wards are completely different is design compared to the first two on each wing. Again, odd for a kirkbride.

Just look at the shape of the buildings are Clarinda and their layout, and then compare them to the shape of any other kirkbride ward, they don't quite match up.

The admin is fairly small and separated from Admin by what looks like about 70 feet of corridor.

The wards are only two stories in height compared to the the standard 3 stories of a kirkbride plan.

Here is what appears to be the primary source the AMSAII book seems to have gotten is information from.

http://books.google.com/books?id=R0rLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA459&lpg=PA459&dq=clarinda+c...

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I'm trying to find the hospital reports but I dont think they are online. I'm going to try to find out if the architect's published anything.

I love looking into hospital like this because you find out so much.

It seems first the North wing building and the admin were built from 1884-1888, then the southern ward building from 1890-1893. After that the amusement hall and chapel were built from 1892-1893. Then the two smaller buildings furthest from the admin were for the violent and the infirm respectivly, first going up on the north (male side) from 1894-96 and the south (female) side from 1896-99.

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I'm still not so sure not to call Clarinda a kirk, I was looking at Cherokee and it's the floor plan is very similar Clarinda's as well.

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Okay, I found this

http://books.google.com/books?id=n1dNAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_su...

And type
"cottage plan"

The first result is a report from the legislatures Joint Committee on the hospital. And it describes Clarinda as a cottage plan.

Also, if you scroll up past the expendatures record you can find the report from the committee appointed to locate and build the hospital.

There they repeatedly refer to the currently under construction norther male building as the "cottage wing".

Scrolling down from there is the Architects report, again refering to the female building as a "Cottage" and the square opposite the entrance to the building as the "water closet annex", which is not something I have seen any kirk having.

When first built it was the just admin and the two large buildings to each side. The other two on each wing came later as an addition.

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So, then what's Cherokee?

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Cherokee, now I have not seen her in person, but from what I have seen in pictures and that floor plan all look like a kirkbride to me.

The wards are slightly detached however however they are very close and attached with three story connections, that is no different than other later kirkbrides like Danvers, Buffalo and Topeka are more extreme examples.

It has three stories as a kirkbride should, to Clarinda's two.

The three ward blocks on each wing are all identical and the floor plan is correct for the improved Kirkbride plan with the center ward alcoves and bay windows at the wards end.

Now, why they decided to build a new kirkbride from 1894-1902 when they decided to build clarinda as a "cottage plan"/"corridor-pavillion" in 1884, I cannot say?

I know the other superintendents were part of establishing Cherokee so perhaps the two kirkbride guys still thought it was best, or the super from Clarinda maybe was dissatisfied with the pavillion plan or also wanted the kirkbride plan, perhaps that is why the two following blocks on each of Clarinda's wings were in the kirkbride V layout, as they were began in 1894, rather than detached from the main building.

I will look more into Cherokee's creation.

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Things I have found out

-Clarinda was originally designed with the largee ward buildings, then the smaller two infirmary and violent buildings.

Just found this:
http://books.google.com/books?id=yu8gAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA99&dq=cherokee+hospital+archite...

Find the Fifth Biennial Report of the Board of Trustees of Clarinda. Type in "Clarinda" and go to the result with Clarinda written large. Scroll down to page 8.

"The building is designed to embrace in its structure a combination of both the compact and cottage hospital plans-a modification of both, believed to embrace the advantages without the objectionable features of each"

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hmmmmmm

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"The building is designed to embrace in its structure a combination of both the compact and cottage hospital plans—a modification of both, believed to embrace the advantages without the objectionable features of each. The work has been carried forward until it is now nearing completion in the violent and infirmary wards of the female wing."

This is kinda what I thought from the start. That they picked out the parts of existing plans they they liked and created their own plan. I'm starting to think we have ourselves yet another example of a Transition Plan.


BTW, why is Norristown still listed as an Echelon Plan?


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