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Progress update for anyone interested. This image shows the Traverse City State Hospital as it would have looked in 1890. (This building is known as "Building 50" today.) As you can see, I have a bit left to do.

Wondering what format would be most interesting for those of you that would be interested. I'll probably offer a number of options, but I think this would be stunning as a sofa-length piece.

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(My original introduction message follows)

I live in Traverse City, and grew up amazed by the architecture of the buildings at the TCSH. I own a rendering business, and have been working with the company redeveloping many of these buildings. For some time, I have wanted to create a 3D model of the site and all buildings. Finally, the project is well under way. If you're interested you can see the progress here: http://on.fb.me/hPGMde

My goal is to create a complete model of what currently exists, then work my way make into the late 1800s when it all began. Hopefully, I'll be able to find enough info that I can make images from various vantage points and various eras to see the development of the grounds. When complete, these renderings would look near photoreal. It just depends how far I take them.

Currently, I'm thinking about making prints, but I've also considered a small book as well. I'd be interested in your opinion. Do you think there would be sufficient interest in this sort of thing? Given my interest in the site, I would love to see these prints which will essentially be recreations of images that no longer exist. Just not sure how many others share my enthusiasm.

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That is beyond impressive! Especially with the original administration building in place.

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I like how that is turning out, keep it up!

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Very nice!!!
If you are going to retail it you might look to some of these other posters as a reference. I think it would look great in an antique style similar to the Iowa State Hospital poster in the link above. As for size options, you should really try and fit it to a size frame that is commonly available at retail stores. The biggest problem I have had with all the state hospital posters I have bought in the past is finding a frame. They always seem to be too big, or an odd size and I have to either pay a lot for a custom frame for try and make one myself. It gets a bit discouraging after a while.
http://www.thomas-industriesinc.com/ - Author of Harrisburg State Hospital (Images of America). Owner of City on the Hill & Danville State Hospital websites.

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Thanks guys!

A few followup questions...

(1) - I was actually going to do full color. Do you prefer sepia?

(2) - I know what you're saying about frame sizes. I'll certainly make options that are standard sizes. Another possibility is something like the image below. It is shown as 16"x20" panels. Then you could grab one or more depending on your preference.

(3) - Would you prefer poster/photo paper or canvas or some other medium?

(4) - Any other suggestions? (Views, sizes, price range, etc.)


Thanks again!


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This looks really really great. I concur about using a size that is commonly available. I can't tell you what I had to spend to frame my Danvers pano!

Also, do you have any plans to do any other asylums or just Traverse City??

Either way, keep up the good work!

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No plans, though if it were worthwhile, I'd certainly consider it.
For the time being though, TC has me quite busy. :P

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Another question...

How do you prefer to purchase prints? I'm thinking about some online service like CafePress. Then each person can select size, quantity, medium, etc. that suits them. Any thoughts?

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When is comes to any hanging art for state hospitals I personally prefer the antique look, so I would have to say that I would prefer sepia over full color. But perhaps you can have that as an option.

As far as the other questions you posted, I think the main thing you should consider in doing this is cost. Most of us in the hobby don't like to spend a crazy amount of cash on it, whether it is for postcards, wall art, or other artifacts. Whatever options you want to offer, you should base them on a price range. Most other state hospital posters I have seen have all been around $20-25.00. I think you might have a hard time selling anything that costs much more than that. If you start putting it on canvas or splitting it up into panels, that is going to be expensive, especially to frame all the panels (though I really do like the look!).

As far as payment mediums, I personally prefer eBay/PayPal. But I have bought stuff from Amazon and Cafe Press in the past, just so long as you accept some form of credit card payments.

I can't remember the common frame sizes for that landscape type of image. But if you take a trip to Walmart or a craft store like Michaels in the future, just take a look at what they offer and base the sizes on that. I will try and remember to look as well the next time I am out.
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Are you going to add life like additions to the image? Things like a sky, trees, landscaping, or even people? I really like you image as it is, but the more realistic it looks the better it will probably sell.

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I've tossed that around. I could do it either way. And like you said, there are pros/cons to both. Maybe I just need to do a whole menu of choices and see what is most popular.

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Here are my suggestions:

So far what you've got looks rather cool. My personal preferences as far as size are simular to yours, around 4 to 5 feet.

However for some constructive criticism: personally, I don't think you're done and that a lot more rendering needs to be done to bring it up to the level of stunning. From what you've shown, you've got talent when it comes to computer rendering. That takes a lot of talent. (Which my clumsy hands won't allow!)

To shoot it up to the level of stunning and to give yourself a much more appealing poster/photograph which you can play with, sell, and make extremely appealing here are some suggestions:

  • On the detail of the Kirkbride: Figure out what time frame you're aiming when your rendering and then make the exterior look to that time. I.E. if your attempting to make the building look like it was in the 1920's then you need to introduce details and weather that you would expect to see of the building at the time. (I.E. those fine little details that would have been seen around then.)
  • Foreground and background: You should also introduce a foreground and background to the rendering. Add things like a sky, sunlight, trees, bushes, people, vehicles appropriate to the time you're trying to achieve, etc.
  • Take the time for the nitty-girtty details. It's those that really make a rendering stunning.

Here's some examples of the type of renderings I'm talking about done by Sanfranguy:
  • Ronald Weasly's house from the Harry Potter Novels:
the_weasley__s_2_by_sanfranguy-d3gbeeb.jpg

  • A car:
x6_by_sanfranguy-d375psc.jpg

And so on. I'd try to make the rendering look as if you were right there live. I wouldn't try to introduce any sort of antique photo look to the rendering. I would do that after you get all the rendering done and have made an image off of the rendering. I'd then take that image to Photoshop and play with the colors here to make it look more like an antique photo. For example: here is a before and after look at a photo I took at Pompeii Italy:

  • Here is the unprocessed Raw image:
IMG_3233-1.jpg

  • Here is the processed finished image:
The_Column_by_brothejr.jpg

So far what you've got looks cool and with a bit more hard work, you can kick it up to stunning. I like what you've done so far and what I said above are my suggestions for what they're worth.

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Thanks. I realize I'm far from done. Even mentioned that in my post.
The building doesn't have an entrance, the ventilation towers are only placeholders, etc. I'd say the model is at about 95% though. And then, I still have to do materials on the building. It's currently shown as greyscale for reference. Then, as you mentioned, I'll add in vegetation and other landscaping, and maybe some vehicles and/or people. I'll add what helps scale and ambiance, but I want to be careful not to obscure or detract from the building.

Once I've got that stuff added in, I'll let you tear it apart.

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Thanks. I realize I'm far from done. Even mentioned that in my post.
The building doesn't have an entrance, the ventilation towers are only placeholders, etc. I'd say the model is at about 95% though. And then, I still have to do materials on the building. It's currently shown as greyscale for reference. Then, as you mentioned, I'll add in vegetation and other landscaping, and maybe some vehicles and/or people. I'll add what helps scale and ambiance, but I want to be careful not to obscure or detract from the building.

Once I've got that stuff added in, I'll let you tear it apart.


Please I meant no offense and I think you're working on something really cool, I probably didn't read everything. I'm sorry

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No problem. No offense taken. I just didn't want you to think I considered this version done. I mainly wanted to start a discussion to find out what direction other Kirkbride aficionados thought I should take. If there is any consensus about the final product, I'll keep that in mind during this home stretch. So your input is definitely valuable.


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